mr. mandela was an icon, a living -- in jail for 27 years. and 24 more years beyond, a living martyr for 51 years. longer than dr. king lived. the doctor king movement against apartheid here laid the predicate for apartheid. we raised money for that movement in south africa. we got the black caucus led by maxine waters. the u.s. and britain were partners in the south african regime. as a nation, we chose apartheid in the name of being anti communist over the freedom of the people. and somehow the movement here, the civil rights movement in our country deserves much credit for the change we now see in america, and in south africa. >> well, and reverend, to that point, that's why it is so interesting -- i think, and potentially enlightening, to see some of the political debate playing out more among republicans. but take a listen to more from former speaker newt gingrich, in doing what rick hertzburg was doing, embracing as a founding father in politics, one of the best things you could say about someone. take a listen. >> posted my statement o